Agnostic Regarding Ellen White

Agnostic Regarding Ellen White
by Shane Sigley (first published on Facebook on the 5th May, 2017)

After more than thirty-six years I have decided to become an agnostic regarding Ellen White. I do not do this lightly but with serious deliberation.  I have decided to base my argument upon just one simple proposition, ie. Was Adam present at the temptation of Eve by Satan in the Garden of Eden or was he not.  The reason for choosing this incident is that there can be no words to convince one to one side or the other. Just a simple question that has only two possible answers.  Was Adam present at the temptation of Eve at the tree of the knowledge of good and evil or was he not present at the temptation of Eve at the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?  And the bible will be my judge and my rule in this matter. EGW “I saw that the holy angels often visited the garden (of Eden), and gave instruction to Adam and Eve concerning their employment, and also taught them concerning the rebellion of Satan and his fall. The angels warned them of Satan, and cautioned them not to separate from each other in their employment, … Satan commenced his work with Eve, to cause her to disobey. She first erred in wandering from her husband, next, in lingering around the forbidden tree.” – Spiritual Gifts, vol. 1, p.20 written in 1858.  “The angels had cautioned Eve to beware of separating herself from her husband … But absorbed in her pleasing task, she unconsciously wandered from his side. On perceiving that she was alone, she felt an apprehension of danger. … She soon found herself gazing with mingled curiosity and admiration upon the forbidden tree.” – Patriarchs and Prophets, pp. 53, 54, written in 1890.  “Without a fear she plucked and ate. And now, having herself transgressed, she became the agent of Satan in working the ruin of her husband. In a state of strange, unnatural excitement, with her hand filled with the forbidden fruit, she sought his presence. … He (Adam) mourned that he had permitted Eve to wander from his side.” – Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 56 written in 1890.
Ellen White’s three quotes above stated that Adam was not present at the temptation of Eve at the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.  By the way, there is a gap of thirty-two years between the first quote and the last two quotes.  Enough time I would think to iron out ‘mistakes’. Which means this was a deliberate teaching.  Here is what the Holy Bible says about the matter:
Genesis 3:3-6 King James Version (KJV)
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye
shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened,
and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant
to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and
did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Verse 6 says “her husband with her”. That’s all the proof I need.

So there it is. My stand for the Holy Bible. I can do no other. And a stand against
unbiblical teachings. And from now on I am agnostic regarding Ellen White. Ellen White was to me, a godly woman, who brings people to a saving relationship with Christ. But her writings, no matter how good, and I’m questioning this at present, are not the Holy Bible.  If she can’t agree with the Holy Bible on one simple fact of geography, ie where Adam was,  when Eve was tempted, what else is there that may cast serious doubt upon important salvational doctrines of the Protestant faith.  She said that in the last days her writings would be of non-effect. (Selected Messages, book 2, p. 78. .)
Why is it that she is making her writings the focus of the last days instead of the Holy Bible?

Why is it that instead of the Holy Bible, adherence to her writings are made the standard for determining the validity of a Christian’s character?
It doesn’t matter what she or anyone else says in the matter. What matters is what the Holy Bible says!
And how many instances in her writings do I need, to declare a justified judgement, that I have lost confidence in her writings?
I’ll tell you, in such a clear-cut case as this, ie the geography of Adam, I only need one.
Notes: The barn conferences that were held over a period of time, where the Seventh-day Adventist Church doctrines were thrashed out. In my opinion, these conferences may have had the impress of the Holy Spirit. If so, I am not going to reject the doctrines of the church, as I have also proved these doctrines without recourse to Ellen Whites writings. What I’m saying is that the doctrines of the Seventh-day Adventist Church are not dependent on the writings of Ellen White, but stand as bible-based doctrines independent of her writings. And the choice is made so clear thanks to Ellen White’s insistence to have Adam not present at Eve’s temptation. Thanks, Ellen, for making it so much clearer. It couldn’t have been made more clear and we have you and all your writing staff revisors who saw fit to leave Adam out of the picture as Eve was tempted. God’s hand is definitely in this, to give us a clear word of biblical exposition. I for one will obey Ellen’s plea to us all to put the Holy Bible first and last in these last days and to look to the cross, our only hope of glory!

Posts from my Facebook account:

I sent this above article to Dr. John Skrzypaszek D.Min.
Director, Ellen G.White Research Centre Avondale College of Higher Education on the 30th of November, 2016 for review. I had previously corresponded with John about other objections I had that were ironed out. But this one remains and John has apparently no answer. I think I have put him in a difficult position as I said I would use his name when I finally post this article to Facebook. I am now giving John one last chance as I will notify him of this post and he may respond in kind if he likes. I like John and he has been very helpful. But the fact remains, if he as the Director of the Ellen G. White Research Centre at Avondale College can’t come up with an answer to my objection, then my argument that Ellen White should be treated as an unreliable spiritual resource stands.

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 · Reply · May 5 at 10:32pm · Edited

It’s now been twelve days since I emailed the good doctor and no reply. He hasn’t got an answer for this and he knows it.

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Thomas Cranmer, Godly man in Christ

Thomas Cranmer died on 21st March, 461 years ago at the hands of Bloody Mary, a Roman Catholic monarch of England.  This was his reward for giving the world the Book of Common Prayer in 1549, the second biggest influence on the English and the English language, the King James Bible being the biggest.

I read the Book of Common Prayer last year from cover to cover and it truly is a wonderful book to uplift an ignorant people that were steeped in the Catholic superstitions of the day.  The Reformation lifted the people out of this darkness of mind through allowing the people to read the Holy Bible for themselves.  The Book of Common Prayer augmented the light that was shed from the bible.  It also was an invaluable aid to the clergy, many of whom lacked the basic education to fulfill their vocations.

Here is a link for more information regarding Thomas Cranmer:

Announcing ‘To The Cross Fellowship’

I would like to invite all and sundry to ‘To The Cross Fellowship’, being a local fellowship. I also would like to announce a worldwide fellowship under which ‘To The Cross Fellowship’ belongs, namely ‘The Reformers Church of England’. Why call the church this name you may ask. The answer is that the Church of England was very early highjacked by other interests and never really was the church that Thomas Cranmer, Hugh Latimer, Nickolas Ridley and other English reformers intended it to be. That’s where I hope I can make a difference and that ‘The Reformers Church of England’ and ‘To The Cross Fellowship’ will be exemplary Protestant Christian fellowships. So far The Reformers Church of England membership totals two members, the minimum number by the way to qualify for God’s impress as He states in:

Matthew 18:20King James Version (KJV)
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Same number for the local fellowship (To The Cross Fellowship) as well. These are certainly humble beginnings.

Please feel free to participate. I do not know where this initiative will lead to, but I leave it in the Lord’s hands and He will supply the increase. I have been a Christian since 1978 and have read a lot of books on history and religion. The last five years I have become a Christian writer. Now, here is the next step in my Christian experience. I promise to keep to the premise of ‘To The Cross’. Not just for my readers but also for my own faith. Philosophy is too over-rated. Just a simple faith in The Cross is our greatest need. I’m not interested in your money. I’m not interested in building or owning a meeting place. I’m not interested in creating an ‘institutional’ church. I’m not interested in power and control over you or anyone else. I am interested in co-operating with the Holy Spirit. I am interested in rightly dividing the Word of God. I am interested in staying true to my calling to ‘To The Cross Fellowship’. Amen.

To The Cross

I’m a dissenter, like William Tyndale and John Bunyan. It’s a great English and German tradition and I have followed in footsteps of my Prussian great great grandfather, even if I was not aware of his faith until recently.

One of my great great grandfathers came from Prussia. His name was Ferdinand Von Stollznow. He was the son of a Count and he and his family emigrated to Queensland in 1863. He and his family fled Prussia because of religious persecution by Frederick The Great‘s state imposed religion. A lot of Prussians did the same thing and emigrated to Queensland, New South Wales and South Australia in droves.

Ferdinand was a Christian, a Protestant and a leader among men. He was a member of the Lutheran Church. He helped build the Lutheran Church, at Eagleby, which is near Beenleigh, Queensland, Australia, which by the way, was my home town as a child and where my grandfather was born by my great grandmother, being Ferdinand’s daughter. The house where my grandfather was born in, just happened to be directly behind the house we lived in at Kent Street in the 1960s. It has since been demolished.

Unfortunately, this Eagleby Lutheran Church that Ferdinand attended, was infiltrated by a ‘Jesuit’ priest who attempted to introduce auricular confession and other catholic practices. You might say this priest was acting like a Jesuit, if not one already.

As a consequence of this infiltration, Ferdinand led a revolt, by leaving the Lutheran Church altogether, and establishing an independent dissenting church in Beenleigh.

These Christian men, led by Ferdinand, built a small house of worship at Church Street, Beenleigh, (as a child I use to ride my push-bike past there often) and Ferdinand called their church community ‘To The Cross’. Not to be confused with the counterfeit cross of the Roman Catholic Church (@ page 175) that is worshiped worldwide. It’s counterfeit because it is worshiped in itself, instead of pointing to Christ the Saviour of humanity.

Ferdinand had carefully chosen the name of this church community, ie. ‘To The Cross’, no doubt intending to send a message to his posterity that this is where our focus should always be. In doing so, Ferdinand proved himself a faithful and wise steward.

The church building still stands today and is owned by the Seventh Day Baptists who are another dissenting Christian group of both German and English heritage. The history of the Seventh Day Baptists group of Christains goes back at least three hundred years, possibly right back to the very beginning of the Reformation in Saxony and beyond to the founding apostles in the first century.

As a legacy of Ferdinand’s faithfulness, some of the Stollznow’s today are active Lutherans in South East Queensland. Unfortunately the Lutherans surrendered to Rome in 1999, so I wouldn’t personally attend the Lutheran Church today. If it wasn’t good enough for Ferdinand over a hundred and fifty years ago, it must be poison by now.

It was the ‘Eastern Germans’, (the Prussians), who supported the Protestant Reformation, and as a consequence were ‘punished’ for this ‘treasonous act’ against the Vatican after World War Two (WWII) by being enslaved by the USSR. As a result of this enslavement, ‘Prussians’ have today forgotten in large part their heritage. This was no accident of history, but was deliberately planned and executed from within the cloistered walls of the Vatican. Prussia was dissolved as a state in 1947, the only state to suffer such a fate following WWII, inspite of the fact it was the Prussian officers (Bonhoeffer by Eric Metaxas) who were mainly involved in the conspiracy to assassinate the Jesuit’s dog, Adolf Hitler. (Lieutenant Colonel Claus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg and other Catholic conspirators must be acknowledged.) If any German state deserved to be extinguished, it was Bavaria, the source of the Jesuit inspired Nazi movement. Beyond belief!!!

It actually goes deeper than this. Both England and Prussia kicked out the Jesuits. England threw them out for two hundred years and Prussia threw them out during the 1870s. Two outcomes from WWII that I believe were by design are that Prussia would be handed over to the USSR and that England would be bankrupted by the war. The bankrupting of England and the dissolution of the British Empire opened the doors for Great Britain‘s leaders to stealthily force the European Economic Community  upon the people, which led to the establishment of the European Union.

This is how the Vatican won their war, which they started, through forces set in train that transpired over the decades since the war’s end. Now the Fourth Reich is in business, just like the Third Reich was over seventy years ago. Islamic State is not my main concern. I see them as the storm troopers, preparing the road to ruin which the Vatican will complete when God allows them to rule the world for a short while.

Again we face in the near future the might and repression of fascism. And this time the Pope has the whole world in his grip. So what is my reaction to this situation? My resolve is to look ‘To The Cross’. The cross where Christ died once for all. This is the Christian’s only hope. Ferdinand was right!

“For Christ also hath ONCE suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:” 1Peter 3:18 KJV

Ferdinand’s silent witness, since his passing, (I’ve visited his, and his precious wife’s grave many times), shouts loud and clear today, that Rome will never give up until all are enslaved by her (Revelation 14:8-10) sorceries.

But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.” Galations 6:14 KJV

Look to the cross, to Jesus on the cross who paid our ransom price in full.

Accept Jesus’ invitation offered freely to all. In Acts 16:30-31 KJV, the Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas: “ . . . ‘Sirs, what must I do to be saved?’ And they said,Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved . . . .’ ”

“If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.” John 8:36 KJV